Maria Stafyla - 2024-05-21 09:00:29
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Shane Kerr - 2024-05-21 09:47:02
I'm just surprised at how important SNMP is. 😄
Petra Zeidler - 2024-05-21 09:51:42
peanutgallery comment: if you really want to phone the noc the phone won't be working
Jen Linkova - 2024-05-21 09:51:55
@shane - old habits die hard :)
Frank Fiene - 2024-05-21 09:55:37
The PowerPoint from Maria is missing on the website.
Brian Nisbet - 2024-05-21 09:59:52
I mean, I'd also say that NRENs are less likely to dive straight onto hype cycles like LLMs at this point, and we don't want our knowledge bases to start hallucinating...
Petra Zeidler - 2024-05-21 09:59:59
a machine learning analysis tool might me useful, but not primarily a -language- model
Doris Hauser - 2024-05-21 10:00:35
@Frank have you reloaded your browser? I can see Maria's Slides both as a PDF and .pptx file online
Aaron Weintraub - 2024-05-21 10:03:12
It seems very education (NREN/campus) heavy as far as the results go, but I suppose that given the survey sponsor that makes sense. I wonder how the results would change if it was advertised more towards commercial companies
Brian Nisbet - 2024-05-21 10:03:40
Well, it's not just the survey sponsor, Aaron, it's the constituency of the respondents.
Brian Nisbet - 2024-05-21 10:04:21
While the SIG-NOC mailing list is not R&E exclusive or locked, the population of the mailing list and the SIG is overwhelmingly R&E, because that's the core community.
Shane Kerr - 2024-05-21 10:08:41
So the routing described is link-based, which means not BGP right?
Shane Kerr - 2024-05-21 10:10:06
Ah, OSPF. Right!
Jen Linkova - 2024-05-21 10:11:33
What is "unnecessary ports" and why would anyone pay for them? ;)
Jen Linkova - 2024-05-21 10:13:41
I guess this could be integrated into CSPF for calculating LSPs - but shutting down links is a bit extreme....it would impact convergence..
Aaron Weintraub - 2024-05-21 10:14:31
I always wonder about these sort of presentations if just moving forward one generation in technology gives you enough lower watt/gigabit numbers to offset a lot of these environmental gains
Shane Kerr - 2024-05-21 10:14:36
Germany uses too much coal to deserve all those flows. 😉
Jen Linkova - 2024-05-21 10:15:33
I guess running additional calculations also increases the carbon intensity?
Shane Kerr - 2024-05-21 10:15:35
Although I guess if that is from moving traffic out of Poland it makes sense, since Poland is even worse in that regard. 😔🤤
Petra Zeidler - 2024-05-21 10:17:25
I wonder if equipment forced obsolescence is on the same order of magnitude as the crbon savings in routing, or worse
Shane Kerr - 2024-05-21 10:17:45
Good question @Petra!
Petra Zeidler - 2024-05-21 10:18:02
but I guess that is an unfair question to ask of the presenter
Shane Kerr - 2024-05-21 10:18:22
It's fair to ask what consideration there was for hardware.
Marco Moock - 2024-05-21 10:18:25
@Shane In the last year more than 50% was renewable energy, coal is decreasing.
Shane Kerr - 2024-05-21 10:19:18
https://app.electricitymaps.com/map
Mike Hughes - 2024-05-21 10:20:19
Very weird echo cancelling artefacts when the speaker is responding to questions are audible on the meetecho stream.
Shane Kerr - 2024-05-21 10:20:21
According to that source at least it was more like 30% renewable last year in Poland, and yes it is getting better.
Petra Zeidler - 2024-05-21 10:21:21
it has to be getting better faster, everywhere, unless we plan for more underwarter networks
Brian Nisbet - 2024-05-21 10:21:25
I don't want to think about the ATM node that we found on a client site, where the operator had left it there for... not quite 20 years, but...
Maria Stafyla - 2024-05-21 10:22:09
This session has now ended. The next session will start at 11:00. More info on the RIPE 88 meeting plan: https://ripe88.ripe.net/programme/meeting-plan/
Rudolf van der Berg - 2024-05-21 10:22:58
I saw too late that there was a presentation on carbon aware routing... On an IAB mailing list I made some comments about the study https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/e-impact/sscm2EpBBocaYvLq5iDizKzpfr8/
Mike Hughes - 2024-05-21 10:23:49
@brian - the internet is full of these things. I remember finding an SMDS concentrator still on and receiving cells well into the 10GigE era, in somewhere I shall not name to protect the innocent.
Frank Fiene - 2024-05-21 10:35:44
Yes, both pptx and pdf are online now.
Frank Fiene - 2024-05-21 10:36:04
the old link was going to Nirvana.
