Rudolf van der Berg - 2024-05-21 10:49:10
I am browsing through Joshua Levett's presentation. He is the next speaker. It appears his slides about Norway, UK and Poland have the same number of ASes and foreign neighbours
Rudolf van der Berg - 2024-05-21 10:49:47
All three say 294 domestic ASes and 1666 foreign neighbours. Could someone at the meeting ask him to verify his slides?
Antonio Prado - 2024-05-21 10:51:21
thanks, just reported
Rudolf van der Berg - 2024-05-21 10:52:04
Thanks! Maybe it's nothing and he caught it already
Franziska Lichtblau - 2024-05-21 10:52:25
Thanks for the hint Rudolf :)
Aaron Weintraub - 2024-05-21 10:57:13
For the MAT working group for the presentation by Savvas Kastanaki there appear to be 2 slide sets linked, one seems to use AS1,2,3,4 and one has actual company names. I wasn't sure if there was more difference but they seem very similar
Hans Bakker - 2024-05-21 10:59:35
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Elvis-Daniel Velea - 2024-05-21 11:30:39
not sure if anyone else has a problem. I still do. Can not use meetecho on my iPad. Volume is very low. I have to use youtube for the audio/video
Joshua Levett - 2024-05-21 11:34:01
A huge thank you Rudolf! Somehow I didn't catch that - and I'm very glad you did before the data on the slide very much didn't support what I was saying!
Rudolf van der Berg - 2024-05-21 11:36:03
You're welcome... I hadn't caught it at first either... and then somehow my brain went like ... "wait a minute the UK has less ASNs than the Netherlands?" 😅
Nico Braud-Santoni - 2024-05-21 11:42:04
To be fair, LDAP is lightweight... compared to DAP >_>'
Nico Braud-Santoni - 2024-05-21 11:44:10
Unfortunately, academia is IME perenially terrible at training competent software engineers. (Speaking as a former academic and having taught at university)
Randy Bush - 2024-05-21 11:46:36
software engineering as an academic discipline died in the early '80s.
Rudolf van der Berg - 2024-05-21 11:47:52
(a joke) You forgot that Internet routing is also economics, business, politics and policy... The whole 9 layers of the protocol stack, so the PhD's also need to have an excellent understanding of these fields ;-)
Randy Bush - 2024-05-21 11:47:53
parnas, hoare, wirth, ... gave up. no one was really buying in.
Nico Braud-Santoni - 2024-05-21 11:52:41
@Randy Bush, I'd argue SoftEng (and more generally, CompEng) does not yes truly *exist* as a mature field in academia.
Randy Bush - 2024-05-21 11:53:46
i do not think we are disagreeing. i am just saying there was an attempt which did not succeed.
Nico Braud-Santoni - 2024-05-21 11:53:54
Both because of cultural issues (many CompSci academics not valuing that kind of expertise, etc.) and simply because it's “young,” comparatively to other engineering disciplines
Nico Braud-Santoni - 2024-05-21 11:55:02
and there's still not so much evidence-based research in what's good SoftEng (for some value of “good”)
Nico Braud-Santoni - 2024-05-21 11:55:11
@Randy Bush valid ^^
Hans Bakker - 2024-05-21 12:24:32
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